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Wow thats a good way to discuss the finale

I wanted to say something about enterrpise, but havent seen the finalie yet.

Last episode ive seen was Daedalus

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Apparently in 2161, there are ships newer then the NX Class, capable of Warp 7. 100 years later, the Constitution Class is capable of a maximum of Warp 7. Just me seeing something wrong here? Winkp

That era uses a different warp scale to TOS. Also, the warp scale between TOS and TNG is different.

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they've never mentioned ENT's warp scale was different....we're led to believe its the same as the TOS scale...

also...umm Kirk's Enterprise did warp 8 on a number of occasions...so wtf are you guys talking about a warp 7 max speed for the Constitution? and after all...Kirk was actually the third captain of the Enterprise so she was an old ship by the time he took command really...

Is it just me or did the ENT-D looks really dark to the point that the model actually looked better in the old show?

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The ENT warp scale should be the same as is used throughout TOS. Did anyone forget to watch the mirror universe episodes recently? There it was even said that the Constitution Class can do at most Warp 7.

At the beginning of TOS, you never heard of any ship going higher then Warp 7, it was later in the show when they learnt of the slingshot manuever around the sun for timetravel that they started going faster then Warp 7.

I mean sure, Kirks Enterprise has done like Warp 20 and beyond but that was in the animated series, and under extreme circumstances.

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Hey, lets keep all the tech talk in the Star Trek Tech Talk forum

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I'm just gonna pretend that TATV was just a fanfiction nothing more nothing less.

Terra Prime was a more fitting series finale instead of that... epilogue monstrosity that B&B pulled out of their backsides.

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lol smart move

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sorry for the double post but here is the Ent D used in the last ep.

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Scotchys Galaxy looks better

I didn't really like the look of the Galaxy in this episode. The escape pods were too pronounced on the hull for example.

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Darkthunder wrote:

Scotchys Galaxy looks better I didn't really like the look of the Galaxy in this episode. The escape pods were too pronounced on the hull for example.

bugger what you think, that's now canonically how the excape pods ARE.

Also, praise be to the random fluctuations of the space time continuum, that's the last episode of Star Trek B & B EVER Get their hands on.

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I hope "These Are the Voyage's" is the last episode B & B get their hands on. What brought the episode down for me was the fact that it was about RIKER, and not Archer or any of the other ENT main characters. I hope that if a new Star Trek series is produced, Manny Coto is put in charge, to hell with Berman and Braga.

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see...that just looks wrong somehow....the model actually looks more real to me...those pictures look better than it did in the episode cause the lighting was TERRIBLE....and they had the saucer impulse lit up.......I just looked hella drak and fake to me....was still neat....and they got the bussard collectors the perfect colour(pinkish like on the old show)....and some running lights were blinking that didn't....lol...i know i'm being picky...i noticed that for some reason right away....

You know what would have been wicked sweet? Had the montage included the Enterprises' NX, 1701, A, B, C, D and E.....that would have made for some tears to the eyes eh?

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bugger what you think, that's now canonically how the excape pods ARE.

Canon is a very relative term. The final episode of the franchise was written by the crappiest writers in all of Trek history, Brannon Braga & Rick Berman. They showed events that took place during a TNG episode almost 12 years ago. And they don't think we the audience notices how the actors have changed since?

Besides, whatever happened on the NX01 in These Are The Voyages are non-canon since it took place in a holodeck recreation 6 years after Terra Prime. I highly doubt that, that was the way it REALLY happened at that moment in time. I mean, noone's been promoted in 10 years total, Trip became suicidal and obsessed with protecting the captain, Tpol is super emotional, Reed and Travis are basically the same, and after 10 years the school in Brazil STILL wants Hoshi?

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I thought i would never like the Enterprise era But i was wrong the characters really did grow on me And i thought season 3 was Very well done, season 4 was ok I didnt like the hole nazi start and i didnt realy see the point of a vulcan/human baby and the ending Im sorry it was just very weak I was actually really horrified watching it, i mean tucker didnt even need to die and archer didnt really cry much it was just like oh well there goes my engineer off to the ceremony, I think it would have been more heroic if one of the cast died during the xindi arc.

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You think season 4 was weak... I thought it was the other way around lol

and BIG THREAD RESURRECTION

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I just watched the ending.

Im sure now that if there is even a mention of B&B near trek again it will cause an uproar like no other!!

Season 4 was fantastic!

Till then

I wanted to cry I was so confused

You know why it was done. To go out in a blaze and insure there was no chance of Trek United saving it.

Its my fav series by far tho 3 and 4 really got to me the fact there is no 5 is really heartbreking.

More places to fill now tho Ent B for example that era

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its OK if its on topic

I think season 1 and 2 were great, and 3 and 4 ware amazing

Wxcept for "these are the voyages". Worst episode of star trek ive ever seen.

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What was with the opening credits man i felt like i was watching a nasa documentary.

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That would have been too cheesey and clichéd.

Right so, Here is the problem that I've had with it. The stories were mediocre at best. BUT.... My main beef with it... Naming the Bloody thing "the Enterprise" in the first place. "
Hello 40 years of Trek History... I'm just going to piss al over you now because we want more money"

It was the dumbest move ever... just go against all the history of it all and tell the tale of one of the first earth vessels, seemingly one of the most important in history, which NOBODY had ever heard of before.

Retards. How can anybody justify that and call themselves a fan of Star Trek. Herretics and Charlatans the lot of you.

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I'm sensing..........the archive.

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Not just yet... I want to see how the "Fans" can explain my post.

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I take it you dont like First Contact, either, as that rewrote the most major part of star trek history....

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No..... that introduced us to the history. Before that, all that was known was that Chocorane moved to Alpha Centauri.

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B&B tried to force an enterprise shaped hatchet job into a space too small for it.

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No..... that introduced us to the history. Before that, all that was known was that Chocorane moved to Alpha Centauri.

and that Chocorane made 2 warp flights and made first contact with andorians after the 2nd.

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As far as im concerned the Star Trek franchise was killed by hordes of fans complaining about what was canon, if they just stopped moaning about discrepecies in treks historical events we would have another 3 years of Enterprise to go and another series underway like DS:9 & Voyager running a the same time.

there were a lot of events and people too blame: UPN, B&B, advertising. but i see it as the drop from 12,000,000 viewers at 'Broken Bow' to 3,000,000 at TATV that killed Star Trek.

People have the right to watch as they see fit, but ignoring Enteprise brought on Star Trek's demise, in the end it brought us all down.

btw TATV was a complete heap of sh1t that i was appalled by and shouldnt have even made it as a first draft...

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More like it was killed because the last series had crap writing and story lines, and generally wasn't very entertaining, at least it wasn't to me anyway. I'll have to admit that there were a few episodes I liked but overall it was a BIG disappointment. Bottom line, if the writing and story lines had been better, the show would still be on. Not to mention this whole "Pre" tos idea for a series crap which didn't help things any. I would rather not have a trek show on than have to suffer thru another season of Enterprise.

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Pegasus wrote:

That would have been too cheesey and clichéd. Right so, Here is the problem that I've had with it. The stories were mediocre at best. BUT.... My main beef with it... Naming the Bloody thing "the Enterprise" in the first place. " Hello 40 years of Trek History... I'm just going to piss al over you now because we want more money" It was the dumbest move ever... just go against all the history of it all and tell the tale of one of the first earth vessels, seemingly one of the most important in history, which NOBODY had ever heard of before. Retards. How can anybody justify that and call themselves a fan of Star Trek. Herretics and Charlatans the lot of you.

Yes! Well said! Bravo! That's exactly how I feel! Before the show even began the writers made a stupid decision and a major mistake. That was the original seed of that grew into the forest of hatred that I now have for that show.

MickJo, you have the causes and effects completely mixed up. Star Trek wasn't killed because people stopped watching. People stopped watching because the writers killed Star Trek! Their stories were awful, and they blatantly disregarded virtually all of Star Trek history.

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I take it you dont like First Contact, either, as that rewrote the most major part of star trek history....

That never re-wrote a major part of Trek History.

It had been said he made the first warp flight...he did, they met with the Vulcans...they did.

If anything it gave something that made very much sense, what would inspire someone, hell ANYONE to really do this, and the kind of fluke that it was, to show that ya know this was a causality loop, that they future had to go to the past in order to protect the future was done quite well.

As for Enterprise, ya know the idea of pre-tos in my opinion could have worked, first thing would have been called it ANY ship other then Enterprise, then what comes next is you stick with how things were in the first episode, you meet the Klingons yes....but then its not supposed to happen for a long while, but could have done other races, dont have anything like phasers, or torpedos, weaponary in the very first episode was much more believble then what was shown in further Enterprise episodes.

What ended up happening is it seemed like the followed threw with tech way too much which it should not have been, by Season 4 they were using the Transporter flawlessly which it should not have been. Not to say dont use it, sure use it but have MANY more accidents, I mean look at ToS how many times was Scotty trying to fix a mess up that the Transporter caused.

What REALLY killed Enterpise was the whole Xindi crap, fine was it enjoyable ? yes it could be, but the point being was by then they juss decided to completely throw the work every single writer in star trek history work out the window and juss re-write oh yea we were attacked had this war so on and so on.

The only DECENT episodes of Enterprise had to be the Mirror universe, and I hope that any TNG cast member that appeared in that damm series was paid a hell of alot of money to appear in that crap!

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