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Defiant wrote:

sneaker98 wrote: The history of Linux? Oddly enough, it's manipulation. like?

Read what I said below. They conned a LOT of programmers into thinking they should work for free.

Defiant wrote:

Well it really should be free - where did Microsoft brought us?

This angers me to no end. That's really great and easy to say if you dont make a LIVING on your programming abilities. I DO. Programming is a work of art, not something to be handed to every lowlife who cant afford to pay for someones hard work. It is *NOT* slave labour.

I have literally paid (and am still paying) thousands of dollars to formally learn various programming languages, and you're telling me that I should give what I do with that knowledge away for completely free? Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds?

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sneaker98 wrote: A LOT of programmers were suckered into this free code gin-sing-meu. And what has it got them? The entire world thinking that programming should be free. Two weeks ago, a 18 year old kid (which wasn't really in a good school or something like that) was able to take down many computers in the world.

He sure didnt take down my computer. But do you think this sort of thing couldn't happen on an Apple? Or even Linux? Of course it could, but no hacker would be stupid enough to target the minority. The purpose of black-hat hacking is to do DAMAGE and get noticed. You dont get noticed targetting the 5%.

Also note, he knew programming: just wasnt very good with it. My guess is that a hacker friend of his showed him a few things, then he naturally abused this small packet of knowledge.

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sneaker98 wrote: On the bright side, Microsoft treats its employees like kings and queens. This is RARE, boys and girls. Programmers get their own offices (fully furnished, i might add), there's beautiful courtyards all around, etc etc. This is the holy grail of programming, one which I hope to accomplish. If that is so good, that why successful?

What, that they treat their employees well? Doubt it. It's just a bonus for programmers like me.

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Not blame Microsoft? So Microsoft havn't programmed Windows and Outlook? Well...who forgot in winter 2003 to patch the microsoft.com server against sqlslammer? And why do the users think they need to buy the updates? Please don't think as a professional/amateur here, but as a beginner.

You know very well that its incredibly easy to make bugs in software. I'm not sure why you think Microsoft should be perfect.. but they're at least making the effort to make updates for it. I assure you, linux is as far from perfect as Microsoft is.

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sneaker98 wrote:

Read what I said below. They conned a LOT of programmers into thinking they should work for free.

If you like or don't like - it is the way the world currently goes.
IIRC I read on slashdot 3 days ago that M$ made something open source.

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This angers me to no end. That's really great and easy to say if you dont make a LIVING on your programming abilities. I DO. Programming is a work of art, not something to be handed to every lowlife who cant afford to pay for someones hard work. It is *NOT* slave labour.

Then you can write this cause of a very big mistake.
This Forum software looks like it is phpBB2 - an open source board, running on an apache webserver (I guess this was also open source) running at least since 380 days on a Linux box (according to netcraft, but maybe they are lying).
Totally games choosed an open source programme language for doing most of the programming stuff - and later they made the sources available to the public. So if I were argumenting like you, I would stop playing this game as fast as possible (please don't - some people here still needs you).

Do you know what makes me angry? People talking about another country they never saw.

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I have literally paid (and am still paying) thousands of dollars to formally learn various programming languages, and you're telling me that I should give what I do with that knowledge away for completely free? Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds?

I also learn programming (well as an european I don't pay that much), but I see it more like a tool for other things.

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He sure didnt take down my computer. But do you think this sort of thing couldn't happen on an Apple? Or even Linux? Of course it could, but no hacker would be stupid enough to target the minority. The purpose of black-hat hacking is to do DAMAGE and get noticed. You dont get noticed targetting the 5%.

No? Why attacking boxes at home? -There is no important info on it. All I could do with them is getting in the news and creating kiddy ddos attacks.
No, the more intelligent people are trying to get the big servers down, running a unix - or well sometimes a linux on it.
Not even Win2k3 cuns on this computers, cause windows is still running only the cheap intel architecture.

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Also note, he knew programming: just wasnt very good with it. My guess is that a hacker friend of his showed him a few things, then he naturally abused this small packet of knowledge.

Well you are not that correct. He used security holes, that are already known - he just havn't found new one, and the bad part is that is very easy today to create that worms and viruses.

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What, that they treat their employees well? Doubt it. It's just a bonus for programmers like me.

You still think microsoft is a good company, right?
Well here is another argument for you:
Just take only one time a look how microsoft treats the competition - think about it!

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You know very well that its incredibly easy to make bugs in software. I'm not sure why you think Microsoft should be perfect.. but they're at least making the effort to make updates for it. I assure you, linux is as far from perfect as Microsoft is.

I never said that microsoft should be perfect, but they are calling things stable, that an open source programmer not even would consider unstable - I never saw a linux programmer saying that linux is perfect, but if you call that perfect, then I hope linux will never be perfect.

I started replying here, to correct some things, it ended up in an Open Source vs commercial software flamewar. I made my position clear so I don't thing another reply from my side is necessary.

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Defiant wrote:

If you like or don't like - it is the way the world currently goes. IIRC I read on slashdot 3 days ago that M$ made something open source.

I should have made this distinction a long time ago, I apologize for not making it clear: I'm not neccessarily opposed to open source, I'm opposed to free code. Yes, there is a difference.

And no, it's really not how the world goes Do you see all those computer games lined up on the shelves of your local computer store? That's all the proof I need.

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sneaker98 wrote: This angers me to no end. That's really great and easy to say if you dont make a LIVING on your programming abilities. I DO. Programming is a work of art, not something to be handed to every lowlife who cant afford to pay for someones hard work. It is *NOT* slave labour. Then you can write this cause of a very big mistake. This Forum software looks like it is phpBB2 - an open source board, running on an apache webserver (I guess this was also open source) running at least since 380 days on a Linux box (according to netcraft, but maybe they are lying). Totally games choosed an open source programme language for doing most of the programming stuff - and later they made the sources available to the public. So if I were argumenting like you, I would stop playing this game as fast as possible (please don't - some people here still needs you).

Yes, php is for open source. Apache as well. And linux too. While I may be opposed to doing free code myself, I am not at the point of boycotting it. There is a difference

And thank you for making my best point for me! Totally Game's Bridge Commander is a perfect example of how I wish the world would work. You paid for your copy of BC (or should have), even though it was partially built on an open source language. Therefore, the programmers got paid for their work and everyone is happy.

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sneaker98 wrote: I have literally paid (and am still paying) thousands of dollars to formally learn various programming languages, and you're telling me that I should give what I do with that knowledge away for completely free? Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds? I also learn programming (well as an european I don't pay that much), but I see it more like a tool for other things.

I see it as a way to make ends meet. Why should I be forced to work at a McDonalds? Did you not pay for the hardware on your computer? That being said; why shouldnt you pay for the software?

I still have yet to hear a good reason why I should support free code. What will it do for ME, the person who relies on his programming expertise to make a living? How am I to make money while creating free code?

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sneaker98 wrote: What, that they treat their employees well? Doubt it. It's just a bonus for programmers like me. You still think microsoft is a good company, right? Well here is another argument for you: Just take only one time a look how microsoft treats the competition - think about it!

I have a better example: Take a look at how Apple treats Windows: http://www.apple.com/switch/whyswitch/ (note: this is from their own main page)

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Are you just a tad too well acquainted with the notorious “blue screen of death?”

Pardon? I havent seen a blue screen since I left windows 98 over 2 years ago. Get with the times and dont assume your competition isnt constantly upgrading, same as you.

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And, oh yes, Mac OS X is built on the industrial strength of UNIX.

I know, I know.. this has nothing to do with my point. But I did a bit of research on this.. and no, it's not based on UNIX. It uses a small part of it, though I forget which part. Someone want to look that up for me?

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When did you last configure a PC for the Internet? Take you long? It won’t on a Mac.

Uhh... it's automatic. Good job.

Here's a more bashing windows are: http://www.apple.com/myths/

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It can’t be denied that Microsoft has made a good business out of copying the innovative Mac OS.

Oh no, Apple definately lost that lawsuit.

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And, truth be told, Windows XP is their best effort to date.

Hmm...

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Macs are far easier to use than PCs. Guilty as charged.

Good evidence there.

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if you do encounter that rare program which isn’t available for Mac

The rare program? Heh, dont kid yourself.

Those are just a few examples. Read that crap for yourself. Do you see windows basing itself entirely on bashing the competition?? Certainly NOT. They're just a large corporation, making them the target for every slander out there.

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Speaking of non payed programmers... Did you know that every single computer in Serbia is operated by cracked Windows system, in companies as well as in homes? And besides that, here you will NEVER GET PAYED for a programme you've made! There is still no any law in lots of countries in the world that would stop exploits of someones sweat and blood used to finish their work....

So I just kinda got used to it... and if I mention the average payment of 150 euros per month (!!!), it's not so strange to use crackware.

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Well my father (rest his soul) said ANY THING man can devise, Another man can Break

IE any code, any language, ANY

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question: at the beginning of this topic, somebody mentioned how hackers could turn off your firewall with this stolen code.

But what if you had Kerio firewall or somehting else? How could they trune off that?

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by uninstalling it?

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In Windows XP you have that Security Center thing, remember?

With that, you can turn it off.
Which means that if you know how it turns your AV (or Firewall) off, then you can do it as well through your mallware.

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