Bridge Commander Universe

USS Frontier · **Posted**: 07-20-2006 07:34 PM

OH yeah in the FTech in KobMaru i was going to put ablative armor, multivectral, regenerative, corbomite shields and phase cloak in the ship im making, and only phase cloak was working after messing around a bit i got ablative armour to work, but blackscreen of death like you dramatdude, it's because shields.py need to import the script ATPFunctions from ftb.Tech, and in the script it is only "import ATPFunctions" because shields.py we're already in ftb.Tech to fix this just make a blank Shields.py file with the line "import ftb.Tech.Shields", make sure the correct Shields.py file is in scripts\ftb\Tech and it will work, u can do this for AblativeArmour too. (i got this idea from the RegisterBreenWeapon in the Custom\Techs folder)

Plus, i wasn't able to make the Phased Torpedo work, i didn't understand it correctly i think, in the readme it says to copy those lines to the projectile .py, in the PhasedTorp.py it says to copy other lines to the projectile .py, and also on the readme it says to use the firesound of the torpedo... Can someone here explain this to me?

and a side note: my ship has 30000 hull, 12000 all shields, 10000 ablative armor, 50% chance multivectral/corbomite shields and the configuration number(which the damage is divided by, which i didn't understand much too, if i put 12, the damage will be divided by 12, and the shields will regain 1/12 and take 11/12 of the damage, is that it?) of the regenerative shields is 12 and MAN SHE WAS TOUGH! a Species 8472 Bioship taked some time to destroy it..
When i first putted the shields techs, i put the chance of multivectral/corbomite to 100% to see if it worked, and i was able to destroy a Borg Cube without loosing anything, i also managed to destroy the Bioship, both battles taked some time, as i didn't quite completed the weapons deparment of my ship. Also, the shields work so much better if they are together, when i taked out the multivectral the ship was substantialy weaker, the same thing hapened when i installed multivectral again but disabled the regenerative, and i saw that the multivectral reacts kinda weird, for example: all my shields were green, then i standed still taking fire from 5 warbirbs and my front shield quickly turned red, while the others were green, then after a second or so, all shields changed to yellow, is this supposed to happen with the multivectral shields? Also after taking serious fire from the warbirds all shields were red, i begin losing ablative armor, then hull and so on, but the shields never failed, they were just red, is this also suposed to happen?

And to finalize, when taking the serious fire from the warbirds and i begin losing ablative armour, there were moments were i still had the armour, but the warbirds managed to damage some of my subsystems, this hapened when engaging a bioship too, and i think this wasn't suposed to happen. And as a personal request: can you make so that when the ablative armour is still active, and we're taking fire, so that besides protecting the subsytems, the ablative armour prevents them from opening holes in the ship?

Obs: i'm using the FTech that comes with KobMaru
And sorry MLeo about the home brew modifications, but it had to be done to work =P

MLeo · **Posted**: 07-22-2006 11:19 AM

Ok, let's take this one step at the time.

In the latest package, it should have Shields.py in the correct directory, and LoadFoundationTech.py (in Autoload) should load it.

Now, I don't know if KM has the latest FTech.

Your Multi Vectral quirkyness could be caused by the constant bombardment, which calls the script continuesly which could make it stall a bit. What MV does, is the following, it takes the total shield power, and redistributes it accross all shield vectors, which in turn should make it look like it's just one shield vector.

This is the reason why your front shield turned from red to yellow (and the rest from green to yellow).

Also, at 5% strength, shields will let through all weapons, so the AA would take the brunt from there on. And after that the rest of the ship.

Just use the readme as your guide, it was written later, and I was looking through all the files for the best and easiest way to do things.

Is your PhasedTorp.py in Autoload?
In that case, you are using an old version with a couple of problems fixed in the later version(s).

Defiant · **Posted**: 07-22-2006 07:05 PM

MLeo · **Posted**: 07-22-2006 11:08 PM

Ok, that explains it, there already is a version from November...

USS Frontier · **Posted**: 07-24-2006 06:57 PM

Yes there is a PhasedTorp.py and IsoKineticTorp.py in Autoload, but both have only 1 line inside, and that is "# removed file", so i still need to delete them?

And can i install the new FTech version in KM0.9.1 without causing any problems? (compatibility issues and so on)

MLeo · **Posted**: 07-24-2006 09:42 PM

If it's removed, then it's ok for that, you would just need newer versions in the Techs directory.

Atleast, if you get warnings about FTB/FoundationTechnologies not being installed.

I do think it would cause problems if you play in multiplayer, but since you mention you mod your install, I would consider it safe.

USS Frontier · **Posted**: 07-25-2006 09:31 PM

No, i don't play in MP
About the MultivectralShielding, you said it gets the total shield power and redistributes it to all shields, can't you make it so that when it is hit (on defense) it divides the damage received by 6 and then apply it(1/6) on each shield vector? that way it won't cause the quirkyness i reported. I was trying to do it myself but i don't know how to get the damage received xP (i'm still new to making things in python).
About the torpedo techs, I still didn't try to use the Phased torpedo again, because i'm still confused about how to install a torpedo(with one of the torps techs) to a ship, i noticed that in KM, the merchantman freighter and breen frigate uses respectively the ionprojectile and damper weapon and they work, but both ship hardpoint and the projectile script are in .PYC format so i can't open them and see how they were made to use as an example. Can you Mleo or Defiant could send me them in .PY format? or send me the hardpoint and torpedo script (in .py format) of a ship using a working torpedo tech?

MLeo · **Posted**: 07-25-2006 10:13 PM

It uses the build in function for that. I admit, ATP1 used to use it's own function (actually, Dasher had made the MV with that function, but I replaced it with the build in), but this function is way faster.

If any, it prevents any quirkyness you would get with the pure python version.

About your confusion, if you hold on to the readme, then your fine.

USS Frontier · **Posted**: 07-25-2006 10:36 PM

yeah i saw in the script, its the RedistributeShields, but i wanted to know if it can be done that way (dividing the damage by 6) because then when the ship is hit and MV activates it won't leave all shields the same, for example if you had 1 vector red and the others green, and taked a hit that causes 600 damage, all shields will lose 100 points, but the one that is red will still be weaker than the other, got it?

Okay, i'm trying to make a torpedo with the tech IonProjectile to test following the readme's instruction on how to add a tech to a projectile, see the torpedo script below, but when it doesn't appear in the torp selection in-game, and the console reports a syntax error in the line "oFire = ftb.Tech.IonProjectile('IonProjectile' {14})" with the "^" mark below the "tile" letter in "Projectile", i also tried with this same line this way: "oFire = ftb.Tech.IonProjectile('Ion Weapon', {14}) and it report the same error, but with that mark below the "n" in "Weapon". Now i'm sure the torpedo system is equipped with 50 of these torpedoes(the script i attached below), and don't mind the name of it, i was testing it with the ionprojectile tech to see if it work and how to install it, to use another tech i'm trying to make that is a PC Virus, that will let you control the enemy ship for #seconds, the catch is that i still don't know how to make the target(enemy) become friendly, so you can give orders to it, and how to make to when the #seconds runs out the ship becomes a enemy again.

Note: i can't upload the script so i will just copy the lines here okay?
Here is the lines the readme says to add in the bottom of the torp script, adapted to use the ion tech as as written in the readme:

sYieldName = 'IonProjectile'
sFireName = None

try:
import FoundationTech
import ftb.Tech

oFire = ftb.Tech.IonProjectile('IonProjectile' {14})
FoundationTech.dOnFires[__name__] = oFire
FoundationTech.dYields[__name__] = oFire
except:
pass

EDIT:Okay i managed to get the torpedo working, and disabling the target's engines (Ion Projectile tech), the problem was that i should "import ftb.Tech.IonProjectile" instead of just "ftb.Tech" and oFire should be "oFire = ftb.Tech.IonProjectile.IonWeaponDef('Ion Weapon', {})", i don't know why i added that "14"...>_<
i saw in the readme how to add the CloakDisruptor, so i added it to the projectile instead of the Ion tech, and it worked, so i got back to the script and checked what was diferent from before(when it was to install Ion tech), then i adapted to be the Ion tech instead of CloakDisruptor, and it worked.

MLeo · **Posted**: 07-26-2006 11:40 AM

It's done the way it's done because we can only "disable" damage from projectiles, not phasers.

What I mean is the following, with projectiles, when they hit (anything) they do damage and it sends out an event. If we catch that event, get the torpedo from that and then set it's lifetime to 0, then no damage will be done! After this we can then do our own damage calculations, which would be your idea.
Now, with Phasers this isn't possible, so your idea wouldn't work and you'd be left with the only possibility, which is grabbing all the shield info and redistribute it for yourself (or use the build in, so faster, function).

USS Frontier · **Posted**: 07-27-2006 04:28 AM

Yeah i noticed that, i actually maked a shield tech(before your post) the way i said before and it worked perfectly, except for the part that it didn't defend against phasers, just like you said...So i'll stick with the Multivectral just the way it is =)

Btw now i'm making the "computer virus" torpedo tech i mentioned: i still got to learn how to add a timer so when it runs out the target ship goes back to the original group, also i need to make it so it only works when hit the hull and to work against the player, (as turning you into the attackers group could be problematic, it is better to the effect on the player is that he will involuntarily fire at friendly targets). But other than these issues that i still didn't resolved i tested the other things (changing the target group, updating his ai, etc) in the console and then scripted them in the torpedo tech, but i get this error: i need to get the target and who's fired(the attacker), to do it i put these lines:

MLeo · **Posted**: 07-27-2006 10:53 AM

GetSource returns the projectile.

To get the (possible) ship from the projectile (it is possible to "fire" projectiles without a parent ship). You need to do the following (assuming you are using FoundationTech way of OnDefenseTorps):

USS Frontier · **Posted**: 07-27-2006 06:17 PM

YAY it worked, thanks Mleo! it's working just the way it should, and the AI is using it too and working.

MLeo · **Posted**: 07-28-2006 11:01 PM

The statements in the console still happen.

I need to get around to removing them. Razz

I'm currently not sure why the hull wouldn't decrease afterwards, it's using the same code.

USS Frontier · **Posted**: 07-31-2006 07:49 PM

Ok now about the torpedo tech: after one day testing i managed to get the timer working, just the way i wanted =)
BUT when in a medium battle (3 friendly ships, 5 enemies, for example), using the Virus torpedo too much (like infecting 3 ships, then 1 or 2 of these 3 when they return to normal) makes the game lag, and its a REAL LAG. Each time someone's timer end and they return to normal the game lags, and then when i infect them again the game lags again, and each time it lags the game stays frozen for more time than before, until you have to reset the PC because the game isn't returning to normal.
I saw this problem only in battles like the example above, or bigger than it. when it is just you and one enemy no problem, also if you're able to finish the battle, when you start another it won't lag until you use the torpedo too much, like in the previous battle. So i think the problem is in the timer, because the lags begin to happen when there are about 3 timers ending, and then when another one starts and then ends, but i don't know how to fix it...

Also, i putted a if to when the target is the player it prints a warning to the console and then return, doing nothing else, because i still didn't make the effect of the weapon on the player. but when someone shoots me the torpedo does what it does normally, and not what it should against the player, and then things get really weird.

Could you check it for me to see what i've done wrong?
The tech script is below, from scripts\ftb\Tech.

MLeo · **Posted**: 07-31-2006 11:58 PM

I don't think the timer is wrong.

What you need to do, is check out Defiants recent thread in scripting.

USS Frontier · **Posted**: 08-01-2006 01:55 AM

I checked defiant's tread about the AddName/RemoveName issue, did his modifications (did them because his link isn't to the file, but to the KM download page, and that doesn't have the script), made the same battle as the example to see if it was lagging, and aleluia it wasn't =)

I also corrected the if i talked about, and made the effect on the player, now everything is normal (finally right?), the only thing left to do is correct any bug I or others may encounter.

Thanks by the help MLeo!

USS Frontier · **Posted**: 08-10-2006 02:30 AM

Hey, it's me again >_<
I purchased Photoshop to make the textures to my ship, then i simply edited the texture i was using just to see if it was working, but then i came across another "bug" in the PCVirus tech, a very strange bug actually, i saw that the torpedo wasn't working against some ships (and it did hit the hull, she was my enemy, all ok) like the neghvar, vorcha and sovereing, then i begin to think what the hell did they have that was preventing the Virus from work... After some minutes i remenbered: they all have the Breen Drainer Immunity. So to test if my theory was correct i've commented out the dTechs line of the vorcha's ship plugin, and then in-game: the torpedo worked against it. So why Drainer Immunity prevents PCVirus from work? it's like besides being breen drainer immunity, it's pcvirus immunity... I'm not complaining about it, i did liked the fact that there was a tech to defend against it, it's more realistic, i just wanna know why this happens because it is very wierd and to be prepared when i make new things.

MLeo · **Posted**: 08-13-2006 10:38 AM

In your class, did you overwrite "def IsDrainYield(self):" to return 1? In that case, change it to 0, or override it (in your class) and make it return 0.

deanej · Cadet 2nd Class Joined: 03 Sep 2003 Posts: 68

I have been having trouble using the disablers. I gave a disruptor all of them (except multiple and random) and the disruptor just passes through the target when used and does nothing. Also, I made a ship immune to all of the disablers and the console says that the immunity is not installed, even though it is. How do I get this to work? Confused

The whole thing seems to be very buggy.

EDIT: Reinstalling did not help. I also tried the breen energy drainer. It didn't work too. Also, I now need to disable the inaccurate phasers. How do I do this? I hate inaccurate phasers and I wish people would not include them in their mods without the ability to remove/disable them. Phasers are supposed to be precise, that's why you can target subsystems. This mod isn't for me or anyone else that wants accurate phasers or working technologies. Mad

EDIT 2: I managed to disable the inaccurate phasers by commenting out 2 lines of code. This should be documented at the very least. I still can't get the breen energy drainder to work.

USS Frontier · **Posted**: 10-02-2006 07:41 PM

If you have KM installed, try using the Breen Frigate, it has the breen energy drainer (by this mod) and working.
For what I remember, in the readme it says that it has inacurate phasers, so if you don't like it, don't download it...

Sorry if i can't help you much right now, got some things to do, but i had problems kinda like yours before, i added ablative armour and some of the shield techs to my ship and it didn't worked, saying it wasn't installed, and it is caused because you didn't installed it (on your ship or projectile) correctly, trust me. Now i have ablative armour and the shield tech working for example, why? because the ablative armour script, and the shield tech script were in the wrong place. I think MLeo corrected this "file mis-placement" bug in the last release of FTech. I've also created 2 projectile techs, and both are working in 2 torpedos i created for my ship. In KM also, there a ship, i think it's the merchantman freighter, that's equipped with an Ion Torpedo, this torpedo disables the target's engines for some time, guess how he does it? with this mod. So please don't say it is buggy.

MLeo · **Posted**: 10-02-2006 10:04 PM

Just out of the box with KM doesn't always work.

Get the latest from this thread and see some of the comments.

Also, this is a beta, but a lot of problems some people experience have already been worked out (and a lot of them are in the latest package).
Just tractors and phasers to sort out.

Also, I'm considering to allow people to turn off inaccurate phasers, they are really nice, espesially now the AI has them too.

deanej · Cadet 2nd Class Joined: 03 Sep 2003 Posts: 68

I don't have KM. It took some work, but I got the disablers to work. There is also a typo in the readme. It says that in order to make your ship immune to disablers you should type "Disable Immunity" before listing the immunities. In reality, it is "Disabler Immunity". As for the latest version, I followed a link from Bridge Commander Central that said it was on page 5. A quick look shows that it is actually on page 8, but the links/attachments have been removed. The inaccurate phasers only require disabling a couple lines of code, but it requires trial and error to get the right lines.

MLeo · **Posted**: 10-04-2006 08:58 PM

deanej · Cadet 2nd Class Joined: 03 Sep 2003 Posts: 68

**Nebula** · **Posted**: 10-05-2006 01:12 AM

ah yah I haven't updated that in a while lol

So the latest one is on page 8 now....

MLeo · **Posted**: 10-05-2006 04:56 PM

**Nebula** · **Posted**: 10-05-2006 06:27 PM

I ment to ask you about some of these mods but never got around to it.... I'll fix the link right now.

ErrorS · Cadet 4th Class Joined: 08 Oct 2006 Posts: 6

I'm having a few problems, maybe someone can help me.. I'm new to scripting but having a blast doing it.

AI doesn't miss with phasers.. or if they do, they don't do it nearly as much as i do. It also seems like they're a bit too inaccurate on the bigger ships. I hit a sovereign just as little as I hit a defiant when they're moving the same speed... is that just a limitation of the script?

I downloaded the scrip from page8.. should have I got one of the updates or something to fix the AI problem?

also, ablative armor is awesome but I'm having trouble with damage seeping through. I'm going to mess arond with the radius later but how exactley does the radius work? does damage go through to sensor arrays and warp engnies, those are the ones that seem to get damaged the most.. but both of these items are larger than most others.. I don't know what's causing them to get damage through the armor, the radius or the script itself. Doubling the radius over my hull just makes my hull take damage along with the armor.

thanks for the script, im loving it.

MLeo · **Posted**: 10-12-2006 04:37 PM

I just try and find the time to compile a new package with all the latest scripts.

Since my AI does miss.

The Ablative Armour fixes all damage (when possible) and deducts the damage done from the subsystem (damage to the AA subsystem doesn't count, it's counted internally and then just set).