Bridge Commander Universe

**Raven Night** · **Posted**: 08-08-2004 08:26 AM

Since I could write a complete thesis on this, I will limit my rant on this matter to three concise points. I want to be clear on this issue.

Warez is stealing. You are not entitled to a program that someone busted thier butt to make, someone paid to have it developed, people were paid to distribute and package it....there is a reason it costs money for you to buy it.......it cost money to make it. The end result of warez is the developer can't afford to develop what you are stealing. There are lots of cheap alternatives on the market, lots of ways to get a discount.

Warez is a copyright violation. A person that makes something and pays to have it protected has a right to expect people to respect his or her wishes. You didn't make it, you didn't pay for it..........he or she did. You have no right to demand that someone makes or releases something for free.....the day you start working for free is the day you can present that argument.

Warez is not free. You end up paying for it eventually........Either through prices of other items that have to be raised because you were too cheap to pay for an item, insurance rates that protect honest people from people that are thieves like you, or by sitting in a jail cell. If you have over 300 dolars in warez on your computer right now you are facing 30 years in federal prison. Is it worth it?

Now, prices are high for certain programs I admit.......too high for most to reach. I rarely buy new programs, games or movies. I buy them on Ebay, Amazon, Overstock.com, etc. I try out a program if it has a demo. I own over 20,000 dollars in software, and that does not include what we own for our business.......that is money that I worked very hard to earn, and you can do the same. Paying for the software means people can make more software, better software.

THERE IS NO WAREZ ALLOWED HERE PERIOD. No discussion about where to get it, no talking about using it, NOTHING. The person that ownes this site is a software business owner, and he does not like warez. Imagine that.

I am all for Freeware. We don't charge people to use our model editor, NanoFX, our models, etc. We put out plenty for free, and we pay for the work. The least you guys can do is keep warez off my site.

Nuff said.

Matsch-Klon · **Posted**: 08-08-2004 10:03 AM

Hm, I don't want to be rude, but to me cds7318's post didn't sound like a warez request.

Look, this is what he posted:

Strayhero · **Posted**: 08-08-2004 05:32 PM

Durandal · **Posted**: 08-08-2004 07:13 PM

Starfleet Headquarters · **Posted**: 08-08-2004 07:50 PM

I understand your position Durandal, however I don't think that it was close to a warez request. The main reason is that it is a old version of 3ds Max..if was the newest version then I also might have done something if I was an admin on BCU. However since it was a old obsolete program.....

Starfleet Headquarters out.

**Sim Rex** · Moderator Age: 26 Zodiac: Joined: 11 Apr 2002 Posts: 1714

Matsch-Klon · **Posted**: 08-08-2004 08:10 PM

Are you sure? 3d studio max 3 is a very impressive piece of software, you can model ships for BC there almost as easily as in any newer version.

Wes Janson · Captain Age: 26 Zodiac: Joined: 19 Feb 2002 Posts: 1088

Yeah. Max 3 was the Max 6 of its day...

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Mark · **Posted**: 08-09-2004 12:20 AM

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EDIT: half an hour of searching on google came up blank..

sorry, but unless some one here has a dl link im afraid ur shtumped

cds7318 · **Posted**: 08-09-2004 12:40 AM

Okay, First i'd like to thank Matsch-Klon, Strayhero and hq for sticking up for me. I'd also like to thank sim and Durandal for anwering my pms. now about the topic at hand. I should have been more clear on my request. I never said i was looking for a trial but i figured anyone who read that would know thats what i meant. I didn't mean to disrespeact these forums. As a matter of fact i've tryed very hard to help out with anything i could. I surly wouldn't have done something stupid. However what is done is done. I accecpt and understand what happen. btw ignis i looked for a trial of 3ds max on good for about an hour all i got was "update your 3ds max now with 3ds max 6. thats when i posted here.. and well the rest is history..

Mark · **Posted**: 08-09-2004 01:00 AM

where u get that warning??? is that the one u got for mvam 2 being late?

cds7318 · **Posted**: 08-09-2004 01:14 AM

nah, i got that one for defending myself remember?

Mark · **Posted**: 08-09-2004 01:16 AM

oh yeh

**Nebula** · **Posted**: 08-09-2004 01:16 AM

Durandal · **Posted**: 08-09-2004 01:29 AM

**Raven Night** · **Posted**: 08-09-2004 01:35 AM

You cannot fault my staff for being vigilant on this issue. I have beat them over thier heads with zero tolerance on Warez, and they are simply acting in my stead. We do not issue instant bans for Warez. A warning is trivial, but it reminds everyone that a commercial company owns this site.

Sometimes a little heads up is good for everyone.

At any rate, any comments about the harshness of our policy should be directed to me. I wrote it after all.

Mark · **Posted**: 08-09-2004 01:38 AM

so if I were to say that i thought that this was harsh, even though only a warning cds has never been a troublesome member.. i cause more trouble then he and ive never had a warning ever.. it seems damaging to the community now that there are so few of us left that ppl who arent actually doing nething wrong are being given warnings so easily.. any kind of punishment is designed to demoralize. would i be given a warning or a ban for saying that?

while i understand ur possistion maybe clarifying cds' postition would have saved any kind of confusion. you can be harsh without punishing ppl. and u can show strictness without punishing ppl that "might" be in violation

**Raven Night** · **Posted**: 08-09-2004 02:19 AM

Mark · **Posted**: 08-09-2004 02:28 AM

I dont think ur a pr*ck.. i dont think ur a pr*ck because you gave me a chance to put my POV across.

neway late night dilema again, and flys keep flying up my nose Razz

so id better say g'nite Smile

Makotokat · **Posted**: 08-09-2004 02:32 AM

I have to agree with Raven. I do freelance 3D work from time to time as a Truespace Modeler. Bought and paid for I might add. Gmax, Milkshape and even old versions of TS are available out there. Check out Computer Arts magazine for good demos and Full Programs. I got my TS2 from CAM and upgraded to 4.3 for a hell of a lot less than buyinging it on it's own. I have sold animations and only use my programs to do so. I bought an old copy of max3.1 from a friend who recieved a new version 6, but I don't use it for profit due to 3rd party sales ethics. The law is grey in that area and I only use it for fun. I WORK in TS4.3

Anyone using warez or cracked copies of software beware. If you try to use them for profit the company who you STOLE from will come down on you like a ton of bricks, and you'll deserve everything you get. And they can find out.....

**Raven Night** · **Posted**: 08-09-2004 03:00 AM

You aint whistling dixie.............when these guys come to our office, not only do they know who is using the network licences for our Max 5.1 licence, they know the exact licence for each system AND how often the program is used. They can pull all of this up from thier remote at thier HQ. They can also tell us which licence made which model....it is scary.

Max leaves system and version markers on ALL meshes it makes. That means they can track you down if you use an illegal version of the program and release the mesh or sell it.

Matsch-Klon · **Posted**: 08-09-2004 03:02 AM

Kooj, people, the last think I wanted is to start a discussion about warez. Now we have exactly what Raven didn't want. I donly wanted to point out that cds7318 might have been misunderstood.

Now that that's all cleared up, I suggest somebody close this thread. Or better yet, delete every response.

**Raven Night** · **Posted**: 08-09-2004 03:05 AM

Don't get me wrong guys, I appreciate the feedback and welcome it. He apologized, and it looks like he may have in fact been looking for a trial........the policy is strict and clear however. Unless a trial or demo is clearly stated, all requests related to warez in any fashion must receive a warning.

cds7318 · **Posted**: 08-09-2004 03:12 AM

and you have my word next time i need help finding a trial it'll say "trial"

Pegasus · **Posted**: 08-10-2004 01:01 AM

Well here....http://www4.discreet.com/3dsmax/3dsmax.php?id=403

and while were on the matter... check this out for POWER in Max7

**Viper** · **Posted**: 08-10-2004 01:41 AM

Id like to say, that myself, I have Max 3.1, Max 4, and Max 6. I also have TS4. And I can tell you they are not all legal. But they are also not illegal. My max 4, which is not currently installed is a trial. My TS was given to me by a very well respected modeler and graphic artist, for the specific purpose of gaining access to his meshes for reference [and it was compensation for a mesh I made for him]. My max 3.1 and 6 are both legal copies. I downloaded both from Discreet, and I was lucky enough to be able to get a student license.

You dont have to have top of the line software to do modding. When I began in 3d, I used a VERY VERY old program designed for nothing more than the modding of SFC2. I still have the program, which was a free program. and it worked wonders. But because I have increased in my useage of 3d programs, and I have begun to do contract work, I had no choice but to break down, and buy programs. i have had to buy both Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator for textures, and other graphics I USED to do. I have invested a great deal of funds into my setup. Between my new computer and its programs, I work on litterally a $10,000 plus computer.

Simple solution guys, just dont do it. I study law right now. I can tell you that stealing a program, for no other use than to make FREE mods for a computer video game, is about the dumbest move you will ever make. Its not worth ruining your lives, having a criminal, felony record, and having that record, along with prison time follow you around in everything you do, just because you werent happy with milkshape. I've used milkshape. Trust me, its WELL worth it in the grand scheme. Dont be stupid about this, guys. Cause I would hate to have to be ont eh other end of the cuffs when you get cought. Cause I will have no sympathy what so ever.

USSCyclops · **Posted**: 08-10-2004 02:29 AM

boy that was power full viper

**Viper** · **Posted**: 08-10-2004 02:41 AM

its been a rough day, so I went a little long winded. But its how i truely feel on the subject. And being in the law enforcement community, I can tell you, it doesnt matter how well known you are, or how much I like you, I got no problem slappin on the silver bracelets.

TeraByte · **Posted**: 08-10-2004 06:47 AM

Granted, warez isn't very good, but there are so many corporate jacka**es (excuse the language) out there raising prices of software to ridiculous levels in an effort to increase their paychecks, that sometimes piracy is thought of as a method which levels the playing field. Most warez is not distributed for financial gain by unscrupulous individuals looking for a quick buck. But, like they say, warez is no good for any software company.

Such is the reason why I, like many others, are all for open-source software. Sure, it may take away business from other companies, but business is based on competition anyway, so if someone can offer a more attractive alternative to commercial software, then so be it. It's exactly the same as competition in the marketplace. I like to think of it as a big "SCREW YOU!" to all those moronic executives trying to rip off decent, hardworking people.