Bridge Commander Universe

sfc3fan · **Posted**: 12-14-2006 05:01 AM

i got to thinking in another thread.. i suppose alot of people remember the old school days of BC modding, but my question is what can be classed as impossible to do with the Bridge commander engine now......

Weasel · **Posted**: 12-14-2006 08:50 AM

There is no spoon.

**Nebula** · **Posted**: 12-14-2006 03:35 PM

hmm visible damage in MP

Dante Leonhart · Lieutenant Age: 27 Zodiac: Joined: 18 Jun 2006 Posts: 400

Spoons in MP

SuperSmeg · **Posted**: 12-15-2006 12:02 AM

Beating Saffi to death with a spoon. LOL

Seriously though, with all the brilliant mods out for BC now, there would still be things not possible for the BC game engine like:

Landing on a planet
Making and going through a temporal rift
Making and going through a dimensional rift
Black holes (apprently)
Weapons retrofitted to fire from a deflector dish (probably not impossible but no-ones attempted it yet so I dont know)

JimmyB76 · **Posted**: 12-15-2006 02:15 AM

USS Sovereign · **Posted**: 12-15-2006 02:28 AM

I was asked to contribute to this thread by Nebula:

1. Killable crew = Immersion
2. Landing on planets = Immersion even DS9FX code can be used
3. Dimensional rifts etc etc possible
4. Before a mod of mine done in ATPD

UPD Equinox · **Posted**: 12-15-2006 09:43 AM

So I can kill Saffi!?!?! Omg wheres my BC cd....

JimmyB76 · **Posted**: 12-16-2006 05:59 AM

Weasel · **Posted**: 12-16-2006 08:14 AM

And on the Eigth Day, God said, "Let there be SPAM!" and so there was.
And the SPAM was heaped high upon the Land, and the People said, "This Be Great!" and all was well on Earth and in Heaven.

USS Sovereign · **Posted**: 12-16-2006 05:03 PM

saxman · **Posted**: 12-21-2006 03:52 AM

wow, seems alot has changed since my time, lol

i remember people kept asking how to put a texture on a model, not how to create a dimentional rift to throw saffi in and then close the rift with tachion particles (those are useful arent they, i used soem the other day to make a really cool cake)

JimmyB76 · **Posted**: 12-21-2006 03:56 AM

UPD Equinox · **Posted**: 12-21-2006 04:44 AM

Alas we still cant spoon saffi..... *gasps* I mean kill Saffi with a spoon!

**Nebula** · **Posted**: 12-21-2006 10:11 PM

Cough

Phaser · **Posted**: 12-24-2006 09:33 PM

UPD Equinox · **Posted**: 12-24-2006 11:35 PM

lost_jedi · **Posted**: 12-25-2006 05:47 PM

SuperSmeg · **Posted**: 12-25-2006 07:24 PM

Mark · **Posted**: 01-15-2007 06:12 PM

things impossible in BC.. well id say:

1) Ship animations done in the same way as bridge animations (export an anim from max)

2) Bump Mapping

3) True Soft Shadows

4) Decent image filtering, not T&L rubbish

5) Flickering LCARS - like on the stock ebridge

6) Volumetric Nebulas (now thatd be cool)

Gareth · **Posted**: 01-17-2007 06:27 PM

throw Wesley Crusher & Saffi out of an airlock

but seriously now though, here's my nice long list - I might be adding more things to it while someone is replying or has replied to it:

-have a ship morph into another ship [ala. Voyager's USS Dauntless]

-can't travel through Gas Giants [similar to Mark's Volumetric Clouds one, maybe?]

-PROPER collisions!

-the ST Nemesis viewscreen-destruction-with-sucking-and-emergency-forcefield effect

-destroy stars and planets

-better tractor beam effects[?]

-the 'strafing' effect done well

-skin shields

-self-replicating mines[?] -which cloak when a field of them is complete

-the gravity pull of black holes

-scraping/scratching the hull

-full damage depth in a Borg Cube without basically destroying your processor/card/mobo[?]

-tractoring objects/ships into warp

-travelling into Saturn's rings like in KA

-'jumping' in walk mode [not that you'd need to do that, but... lol]

-warp core blows up, but doesn't destroy your section of the ship [as the saucer section] after you separate your ship - that is, when operating the self-destruct program I think [can't remember if you can do that or not]

-a PROPER Tholian Web [or even KA's style one]

-Q's 'net'

-attach things to your hull without it being considered a collision - like a mine or something

-holographic ships which you can make appear and disappear at will

-the Praxis & Caretaker effect

-bombard planets with weapons fire, creating marks on the planet

JimmyB76 · **Posted**: 01-17-2007 10:55 PM

lol - there is a reason there is no Script Request Thread...
all of the scripters/modders that are actually capable of working on any major scripts are busy with their own major mods soon to be released...
besides, more than half of that which you mentioned is still impossible (and prolly will forever be) for BC...

Mark · **Posted**: 01-22-2007 10:21 PM

-destroy stars and planets Done in ATPD

-better tractor beam effects[?] Done in FTech (all be it not fully working yet)

-skin shields I think this is Doable personally, but very difficult

-self-replicating mines[?] -which cloak when a field of them is complete perfectly doable with the functions we have, just need to write an AI that supports it

-the gravity pull of black holes Done in ATPD

-tractoring objects/ships into warp Done inFTech

-'jumping' in walk mode [not that you'd need to do that, but... lol] Working on this with LJ in immersion

-holographic ships which you can make appear and disappear at will Again this should be doable with the functions we have

-the Praxis & Caretaker effect Not sure what you mean by this, but again it should be possible, even if it doesnt look as good

-bombard planets with weapons fire, creating marks on the planet With some modification of apollos code from ATPD i think this is fine, even if it does cause major lag on true sized planets

JimmyB76 · **Posted**: 01-22-2007 10:30 PM

i think Ames did a Holographic ships thing a long time ago?

sfc3fan · **Posted**: 01-23-2007 01:03 AM

Gareth · **Posted**: 01-23-2007 10:36 PM

bes12000 · Lieutenant Joined: 05 Apr 2006 Posts: 402 Location: Texas

Turrets that move, or animated turrets for some older ships that use those..

or a point defense laser system for older ships that use missiles, or to fend off fighters

there is alot of things to do yet but alot of people are getting tired of modding for BC or thinking of new ideas..

Since I still dont know much about python I cant try myself...buying books didnt help because I dont understand the relation to the python BC uses and the stuff in a book..I can hardpoint, the rest seems to be jibberish...

As people have found out im in the process of doing some things with my Wing Commander mod that others have not done and it the reason its taking so long to do...since no one else wants to help..

I dont care if its a Wing Commander mod and people dont recognize it as a worthy thing for BC...but when im done it will be and I hope everyone wont be gone by the time IM done..

Another thing that needs to be done with BC, being able to hide in the sun, ive noticed that the sun is hard and my ship will collide with it..thats lame..the sun isnt a solid rock...its GAS, so why cant a ship fly into it?

And Gareth I have an idea for the skin shields thing..im working on that one..might take a while though..

Another one: a cloaking subsystem for single ships, as in a differnt cloak sound for a ship, Example: mleo and I tried to do it but it didnt seem to work right on a Wing Commander fighter I was trying to add the cloak sound to..the cloak sound kept working for ALL the ships not just the one I wanted..

lost_jedi · **Posted**: 01-29-2007 08:08 PM

throw Wesley Crusher & Saffi out of an airlock
Possible in Immersion - but one at a time for now

but seriously now though, here's my nice long list - I might be adding more things to it while someone is replying or has replied to it:

-have a ship morph into another ship [ala. Voyager's USS Dauntless]
This could be done by creating two models. As one ship starts to cloak you could uncloak another right next to it with colisions disabled between the two ships. It might not look very pretty but it would work.

-can't travel through Gas Giants [similar to Mark's Volumetric Clouds one, maybe?]
Sure you can - just do exactly what you said but disabled collisions on the planet. You might have to force the atmospheric effect.

-PROPER collisions!
Difficult, Defiant has something for KM which does pretty well.

-the ST Nemesis viewscreen-destruction-with-sucking-and-emergency-forcefield effect
Possible in Immersion but i would need animations. The glass breaking effect is defo possible tho.

-destroy stars and planets
ATPD

-better tractor beam effects[?]
Define Better

-the 'strafing' effect done well
If you mean in WalkFX then it's in Immersion. I'm not sure what you mean otherwise.

-skin shields
What Mark Said.. You could pretty easily create an effect simiar to what happens in Startwars BattleFront2 in the space combat, it's not ideal tho. There is always memory hacking too Razz

-self-replicating mines[?] -which cloak when a field of them is complete
Very possible

-the gravity pull of black holes
ATPD again and also GravityFX by USS Frontier

-scraping/scratching the hull
Possible but hard. It would be possible but you would have to swap the damage textures before you add the volumetric damage - then swap them back.

-full damage depth in a Borg Cube without basically destroying your processor/card/mobo[?]
hehe A higher poly/custom voxel for the cube might do the trick?

-tractoring objects/ships into warp
ATPD I think. Possible tho Smile

-travelling into Saturn's rings like in KA
never seen KA -(it sounds awsome btw) it doesn't sound espcially hard to do tho - just some specailised scripting

-'jumping' in walk mode [not that you'd need to do that, but... lol]
Immersion has a physics engine Smile

*even tho it's shite in it's current state* hehe

-warp core blows up, but doesn't destroy your section of the ship [as the saucer section] after you separate your ship - that is, when operating the self-destruct program I think [can't remember if you can do that or not]
It should be fine with Core Eject and MVAM

-a PROPER Tholian Web [or even KA's style one]
http://bcscripters.us.to/forums/index.php/topic,133.0.html

-Q's 'net'
What is that?

-attach things to your hull without it being considered a collision - like a mine or something
Yup - thats dead easy with scripts. Infact...

Defiant · **Posted**: 01-30-2007 06:02 PM

USS Sovereign · **Posted**: 01-30-2007 09:11 PM